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Okay, it seemed to flow naturally for Bail, but ya, from another angle that might have been sudden.

"There is only so much I can learn from reading- ethics, morals, how to establish boundaries. But the physical aspects need hands on learning. You liked to be tied up, I need to learn how to tie you up. How to use the equipment, your levels of comfort. If you like pain, I need to learn how you like it applied. And we should talk about boundries again."

"Okay. Do you want to start with the boundaries talk again, because at least the bondage stuff is pretty straight forward. The rest is going to be a steeper learning curve." If Bail wanted to do this, still, but Ben? Assumed that it wouldn't be coming up again, unprompted by him, if Bail wasn't seriously interested.

"We can start there, again." And yes, Bail was still very much interested.

"You said you don't like breath-play, and you hate being sticky. I'm not interested in the former, and I will do everything in my power to avoid the latter. What else are hard no's for you?"

"Sticky with blood and come in the short term don't bother me, just mean I'll need a shower. I absolutely cannot stand stuff like food or paint being left on me. Marks that can't be covered by long sleeves and long pants. I like pain - I don't like scenarios that set me up to fail so that pain can be construed as punishment. I absolutely cannot handle humiliation. Gags I'm willing to entertain later, but not this early."

Well, Bail had asked. "What are yours, as of now, understanding they may change?"

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Bail had asked, and while that was a list, he wasn’t overwhelmed. He decided to take it one piece at a time.

“I’m not interested in humiliating you.” That was a boundary he could respect without trying. “I know I’m not interested in edge-play. I will always want a safe word and limits.”

“You mentioned blood, can you elaborate more on that- do you want to be cut, whipped?”

He starts to just answer the question as asked, and then realized there is an easier way. So he pulls out his phone and pulls up a spreadsheet and passes the phone to Bail.

"This is probably a better starting point."

After Ben’s spreadsheet show and tell for meditation practices, Bail should have expected another spreadsheet. It still takes him be surprise, and he can’t help smiling at Ben and his drive for color coded organizational systems.

He started scrolling through the list.

“How about I comment when I don’t agree or don’t understand something? Or do you want my verbal response for everything?”

He returned the smile, this time a little amused and indulgent himself. "How about you comment on things you don't understand, or are interested in." Otherwise they'd be here for... a while, for stuff he was more than willing to leave off the table.

Which in truth was everything, at least as long as basics were on it, and they clearly were.

Bail was fine with that. He returned to scrolling.

In actuality, he went through the first column of acts quick- nothing he objected to, nor was particularly interested in in this particular relationship that Ben wasn’t also interested in, too.

“What is your definition between light bondage and heavy bondage? You also left the receiving column blank for heavy bondage- is that something you don’t want?”

He had to lean over to look at the list, and then with a couple of movements reaching over Bail he turned that bubble yellow. "Missed one," he explained, and smiled. "In truth it's just weight of the equipment and amount of it. It's okay, if it works, but I'm not usually prone to challenging what's holding me too hard, anyway, so it's a little bit irrelevant."

Bail nodded. "I am comfortable with that." And he read a bit more. "How do you define 'sleep play'?"

"Prearranged waking me up with sex, or just sleepy sex on both our parts." that one's not complicated, at least.

Bail snorted. "You've slept with me enough by now to know how much of a heavy sleeper I am. But... prearranged waking you up with sex, I could do that."

"There's also just sleepy sex when you do wake up." Everything's flexible, but that one in particular. "It's about the... lazy intimacy, I think."

"I am okay with lazy imtimacy," Bail said.

And his eyebrows rose because he was amused by the next thing he read. Mischievous twinkled his eyes when he said, "I would enjoy worshiping your cock."

He laughed. "And believe me, so would I." Also he paused just a bit - "See? Some of this isn't all that weird. It's just fun."

Bail tipped his head to the side. "I wouldn't say any of this is weird. They are things that bring you enjoyment. I haven't seen anything so far that makes me uncomfortable."

"I'm not apologizing for what I like or feeling ashamed for it," he says, pretty easily and mostly that's even true. "Just pointing out some things are highly accessible and don't have a steep learning curve."

"That's fair," Bail said. "I just hope you know I'm not judging you for any of this."

He read a bit more.

But then he was confused. "What is the difference between breath-play and choking? And I thought you didn't like that, or you at least were cautious? About it?"

"New relationship," he said, a little apologetically. "And breath play can be done with a dick - or another object - without hands ever going around a throat and is actually a little safer."

"Ah," Bail said. "That makes perfect sense. And I'm a complete novice, so extra caution seems good."

The next thing actually did get a raised brow from Bail. "Exhibitionism, hmm? Sex in public?"

"Performing in public," he said, tone a little wry. "Which can involve a sex act, a bdsm dyamic or, well, really getting a high from skating."

BDSM didn't have to directly be erotic or a turn on to be really good. "Might help for context to realize that this form came from a BDSM club."

It was clear that Ben had lead a much more interesting life thus far than Bail had. Not a bad thing, just far more colorful.

"I do like to watch you perform," Bail said. "Sex in public... I'll take that on a case by case basis. But other than that, I don't see anything on this list that I'm not open to trying."

"Then we have a large variety of things to play with." It really is that simple and easy for him. "Do you have more stuff you need to talk about?"

"Need? No. Is this a subtle suggestion that it's time for me to go?" Bail asked. He hoped not, he was enjoying the evening with Ben.

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